I was interviewed by Amy Mullins for her terrific show Uncommon Sense. This show is rare in that it spends substantial time on subjects, really getting into some of the nuance and complexity behind the headlines and slogans. We spoke about the punitive treatement of unemployed workers in this country and how it wasn’t always this way.

https://www.rrr.org.au/explore/programs/uncommon-sense/episodes/8997-uncommon-sense-10-september-2019

My part starts at 2:16:50.